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obama delivered pizza to a campaign office. we are told the often verbose president is working on making his debate answers, shorter, more succinct. they have two minutes to react. mitt romney took a brief work from prep work to rally supporters in ten ver. told the crowd of thousand. the debats are about something bigger than who wins. romney and his debate partner, ohio senator, rob portman will spend the day working on last minute details. former bronco quarterback john elway announced his support for romney. >>> and now, a major medical headline this morning. internet addiction is now a step closer to being recognized as a serious illness. the world's top sigh kol jilss now recommend further study into internet and technology addiction so it can be formally classified as get this is a mental illness. researchers say children who are addicted to video games, are much more at risk for depression and anxiety. the problem goes beyond video gaming and formal studies should take place next year. >>> that brings us to our facebook
obama delivered pizza to a campaign office. we are told the often verbose president is working on making his debate answers, shorter, more succinct. they have two minutes to react. mitt romney took a brief work from prep work to rally supporters in ten ver. told the crowd of thousand. the debats are about something bigger than who wins. romney and his debate partner, ohio senator, rob portman will spend the day working on last minute details. former bronco quarterback john elway announced his...
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>> on to the presidential race time to look who is talking president obama and governor mitt romney set to face off for the first time tomorrow at the presidential debate in denver. >> charles krauthammer talking about mitt romney's strategy on special report last night. what can romney do to come out on top? here is his take. >> romney did well in his debates. he got better he has done a lot of them. people are saying obama hasn't debated for a long time. he came out of nowhere beat the clinton machine. i think he is going to be strong. i think his one weak point is that he is thin skinned. if romney can manage to get under his skin in some way i think that actually happened in 08 one or two of the clinton debates. i think it could sort of puncture that aura as that obama had. i don't think there is any way you could be decisive. one thing that will help romney is always true of the challenger just being on the same stage as the president instantly raises your stature. i think if he can hold his own and perhaps prevail even to a minor extent he will reverse the momentum which has been
>> on to the presidential race time to look who is talking president obama and governor mitt romney set to face off for the first time tomorrow at the presidential debate in denver. >> charles krauthammer talking about mitt romney's strategy on special report last night. what can romney do to come out on top? here is his take. >> romney did well in his debates. he got better he has done a lot of them. people are saying obama hasn't debated for a long time. he came out of...
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obama having issues with tone in past debates. let's listen to a famous moment. >> he's very likable. i agree with that. i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likable enough. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> roland martin is here, saying that was a funny line. a lot of people thought it came off as smug at best and a lot worse. >> i don't expect any major gaffes from either candidate. quite frankly, i don't expect a race to change as much. these people have been on the political scene for months or years. there may be, you know, a small number that are undecided. but if those undecideds were to break evenly, i think the president will win this election by a huge margin. >> the margin right now looks anything but huge. razor thin within the margin of error. a new campaign line has been taken up over the past few days, saying we can't afford another four years of president obama. the romney campaign has released that and also american crossroads, one of these super pacs, has released an ad that focuses on this issue. >> $5
obama having issues with tone in past debates. let's listen to a famous moment. >> he's very likable. i agree with that. i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likable enough. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> roland martin is here, saying that was a funny line. a lot of people thought it came off as smug at best and a lot worse. >> i don't expect any major gaffes from either candidate. quite frankly, i don't expect a race to change as much. these people...
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president obama said that preparing for the debate was quote a drag. in the meantime, mitt romney says it's not about who wins or loses, it's about who -- well, he didn't say anything about a game. but he said, we have serious issues at play here. both men have been practicing for the debate. joining me now, the political professor, jason johnson and republican strategist thank you so much. for some reason i'm a little off kilter now, but i'm fine. jason, you know, i'm just wondering about this pennsylvania ruling. a judge ruled you don't have to show your i.d. before you vote in pennsylvania. of course, that's on appeal. but on the day of the election, you won't have to show your voter i.d. will that make a difference for democrats, let's say? >> that's going to be a huge difference for democrats. you had the republican head of the state senate saying that voter i.d. was going to hand pennsylvania to mitt romney. well, now the state is at play. so mitt romney has to compete fairly, there's not going to be any voter i.d. laws disenfranchising people. i
president obama said that preparing for the debate was quote a drag. in the meantime, mitt romney says it's not about who wins or loses, it's about who -- well, he didn't say anything about a game. but he said, we have serious issues at play here. both men have been practicing for the debate. joining me now, the political professor, jason johnson and republican strategist thank you so much. for some reason i'm a little off kilter now, but i'm fine. jason, you know, i'm just wondering about this...
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president obama and mitt romney getting ready to face off in the first presidential debate. one man who didn't get an invitation? libertarian presidential candidate, gary johnson of the he will join us here live. >>> plus an influential coal miners union says it won't endorse president obama's slamming the administration's war on coal. will this be a deciding factor in the election? >>> houses of millionaires collecting unemployment checks? does that make sense to you? even when they say it's not it is always about money. melissa: so here's look at the day's market headlines. spain's prime minister denying speculation that a spanish bailout request is imminent. stocks pared early session gains following the news and the dow closed down 32 points on the day. >>> a mixed picture for u.s. auto sales in september. chrysler posted a strong 12% year-over-year gain. general motors saw a tepid 1.5% advance and ford sales were basically flat. >>> shares of metropcs skyrocketed nearly 18%. deutsche telekom's t-mobile is reportedly in talks to merge with metropcs. >>> the big story all
president obama and mitt romney getting ready to face off in the first presidential debate. one man who didn't get an invitation? libertarian presidential candidate, gary johnson of the he will join us here live. >>> plus an influential coal miners union says it won't endorse president obama's slamming the administration's war on coal. will this be a deciding factor in the election? >>> houses of millionaires collecting unemployment checks? does that make sense to you? even...
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to politics, tomorrow is the big day the first debate between president obama and republican presidential candidate mitt romney. candidates will spend the day getting ready for the event in colorado. the president holding no rallies yesterday but he did visit a campaign office in henderson, nevada, delivered pizzas there, by the way, not far from where he and his staff have been strategizing. romney spoke to supporters in denver. >> this president is taking us on a path that's not working. he is making us more and more like europe. i don't want to be like europe. europe doesn't work in europe. >> at the university of denver crews are putting the final touches on the arena making it into a debate set. yesterday 92 university students learned their names were drawn from a lottery for tickets to the big debate tomorrow night. you won't need a ticket. just tune in here and watch the debate on cbs 5 beginning tomorrow night at 6:00. all eyes, an hour and a half, should be good. >>> 5:40. another apple apology. the new iphone glitch driving up customer bills. >> plus, airline seats come unbolte
to politics, tomorrow is the big day the first debate between president obama and republican presidential candidate mitt romney. candidates will spend the day getting ready for the event in colorado. the president holding no rallies yesterday but he did visit a campaign office in henderson, nevada, delivered pizzas there, by the way, not far from where he and his staff have been strategizing. romney spoke to supporters in denver. >> this president is taking us on a path that's not...
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the 2012 presidential debate. mitt romney and president obama face off in denver tomorrow night. who will bring the rocky mountain highs and lows? and our panel power will weigh in on that. >>> both sides brought the heat last night in boston in the second senate debate between scott brown and elizabeth warren. was there a clear winner? >>> just days away from the election, a judge halted pennsylvania's tough new voter i.d. law. the legal battle is far from over. philly mayor if michael nutter and ed rendell join me live. >>> andrew rosenwach is the fourth generation owner of water tanks. today these tanks are shaped by hand with half century-old tools. he says you don't throw out what works you build upon it. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they help save you up to thousands in out-of-pocket costs
the 2012 presidential debate. mitt romney and president obama face off in denver tomorrow night. who will bring the rocky mountain highs and lows? and our panel power will weigh in on that. >>> both sides brought the heat last night in boston in the second senate debate between scott brown and elizabeth warren. was there a clear winner? >>> just days away from the election, a judge halted pennsylvania's tough new voter i.d. law. the legal battle is far from over. philly mayor...
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and the candidates are preparing for the first presidential debate in denver tomorrow. mitt romney is trailing far behind in support from latino voters, and he made news on illegal immigration today. back in june, president obama announced that he would not deport illegal immigrants who came here as children with their parents. well, today romney told the "denver post": >> pelley: jan crawford is covering the romney campaign. jan, that's new. >> reporter: well, scott, this marks the first time that romney has said he's not going to take away the two-year visas from the people holding them. campaign sources say he's not going to extend them and romney said in the interview that's not going to be necessary because he's going to be offering long-term immigration reform. but in two-year visa program is popular with hispanics, that's a group that could decide the election and romney's got to make up some ground. there's a new cnn poll that has the president with 70% of the vote among hispanics compared to romney's 26%. romney is hitting the president hard on immigration. he'
and the candidates are preparing for the first presidential debate in denver tomorrow. mitt romney is trailing far behind in support from latino voters, and he made news on illegal immigration today. back in june, president obama announced that he would not deport illegal immigrants who came here as children with their parents. well, today romney told the "denver post": >> pelley: jan crawford is covering the romney campaign. jan, that's new. >> reporter: well, scott, this...
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presidential race. let's check the "hardball" scoreboard. according to a new "washington post"/abc news poll, president obama has a two-point lead holding there, 49%/47%. same score in the new politico poll. obama by two, 49%/47%. "the new york times" this weekend reported on the two campaigns' ongoing debate preps. here is what they said about romney's prep. quote, mr. romney's team has concluded that the debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers he's memorized and has been practicing on aides since august. bob shrum, you have been on that particular role, preparing candidates for debate. what do you make of romney, a rather stiff customer to begin with, coming off as sort of a henny youngman or whatever, some sort of a don rickles with some zingers. i don't think of him as a zinger kind of guy where obama is expected to be left helpless. what do you make of that strategy? >> first of all, if you had it, you wouldn't announce it. it's kind of stupid. >> why are th
presidential race. let's check the "hardball" scoreboard. according to a new "washington post"/abc news poll, president obama has a two-point lead holding there, 49%/47%. same score in the new politico poll. obama by two, 49%/47%. "the new york times" this weekend reported on the two campaigns' ongoing debate preps. here is what they said about romney's prep. quote, mr. romney's team has concluded that the debates are about creating moments and has equipped him...
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and republican presidential debates in new hampshire. they also ran into each other at a labor day parade in 2007. a campaign source cataloging the meetings tells cnn these are just two of the three times the candidates have ever seen each other in person. flash forward to 2012 one day before the debate. romney briefly stopped for lunch grabbing bued burritos at chipo >> people want to know who's going to win. who's going to score the punches? >> reporter: at a pre-debate rally in denver, romney seemed to down play reports that his campaign has prepped him with zingers to go after the president. >> it's not so much winning or losing or the people themselves, the president and myself, it's about something bigger than that. it will be a conversation with the american people that will span almost an entire month. >> reporter: romney aides say the gop nominee is adjusting debate tactics away from what worked with a handful of opponents on stage to a more one-on-one approach. >> there's one person on stage. it's done three nationally televise
and republican presidential debates in new hampshire. they also ran into each other at a labor day parade in 2007. a campaign source cataloging the meetings tells cnn these are just two of the three times the candidates have ever seen each other in person. flash forward to 2012 one day before the debate. romney briefly stopped for lunch grabbing bued burritos at chipo >> people want to know who's going to win. who's going to score the punches? >> reporter: at a pre-debate rally in...
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this year will be his 11th appearance as a moderator of a presidential debate. barack obama, assuming we go through all three debates will tie bush for that record six. [ male announcer ] after years of celebrations, marie callender's gives you a way to make any day a special occasion. new mini cream pies for one. real whip cream and a cookie-crumb crust. marie callender's. it's time to savor. [ male announcer ] jill and her mouth have lived a great life. but she has some dental issues she's not happy about. so i introduced jill to crest pro-health for life. selected for people over 50. pro-health for life is a toothpaste that defends against tender, inflamed gums, sensitivity and weak enamel. conditions people over 50 experience. crest pro-health for life. so jill can keep living the good life. crest. life opens up when you do. >>> this is part every a new ad for american crossroads, the super pac, they are launching this tv ad in eight states, the biggest ad in the cycle. let's bring back our panel. mark, you look at this ad data, more than anybody, crossroads
this year will be his 11th appearance as a moderator of a presidential debate. barack obama, assuming we go through all three debates will tie bush for that record six. [ male announcer ] after years of celebrations, marie callender's gives you a way to make any day a special occasion. new mini cream pies for one. real whip cream and a cookie-crumb crust. marie callender's. it's time to savor. [ male announcer ] jill and her mouth have lived a great life. but she has some dental issues she's...
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plus, on the eve of the first presidential debate both president obama and governor mitt romney are hard at work on their final preps. we'll have an update from the campaign trail next. gregg: there are plans to hold peace talk with the taliban and they've now collapsed, this as nato commander's try to find a new way to boost stability in the region as forces begin to head home. national security correspondent jennifer griffin has the details from the pentagon. how seriously did the u.s. military take these peace talks with the taliban. >> not very. this was essentially a state-department-led idea from with some backing from the white house and the president's national security advisers over at the white house when richard holbrooke was still alive as ambassador and envoy to pakistan he backed the idea because many military commander's believed you could not shoot yourself out of this war, out of the war in afghanistan. the pentagon also never believed that they could negotiate he with elements loyal to mullah omar or the a cane the aquani network. the pentago taliban doesn't specialize
plus, on the eve of the first presidential debate both president obama and governor mitt romney are hard at work on their final preps. we'll have an update from the campaign trail next. gregg: there are plans to hold peace talk with the taliban and they've now collapsed, this as nato commander's try to find a new way to boost stability in the region as forces begin to head home. national security correspondent jennifer griffin has the details from the pentagon. how seriously did the u.s....
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. >> my sense is that the republicans did this to beat obama. >> supporters argued it was hadn't to stop fraud. >> no one will be disenfranchised by the fraud. >> tonight what this decision means for the presidential election. >>> plus, trouble in the seats. seats coming loose on american airlines jets. >> my son's seat was kind of like almost falling off. we were trying to push it in and hold it in. >> i think the faa needs to look at this incident. >> now planes grounded and serious questions about safety. >>> and when this ball player stepped to the plate for the first time in the majors, a wild pitch knocked him down. >> i didn't get out away enough and it caught up under my helmet. >> now seven years later, one team is giving him another chance. tonight adam greenberg back in the big leagues. i'm bill hemmer in for shepard smith. one of the toughest voter i.d. laws in the country cannot take effect before election day. that's the ruling from a judge in pennsylvania. up with of the biggest prizes on the map, 20 electoral votes in that state. the judge says there is not enough time to
. >> my sense is that the republicans did this to beat obama. >> supporters argued it was hadn't to stop fraud. >> no one will be disenfranchised by the fraud. >> tonight what this decision means for the presidential election. >>> plus, trouble in the seats. seats coming loose on american airlines jets. >> my son's seat was kind of like almost falling off. we were trying to push it in and hold it in. >> i think the faa needs to look at this incident....
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we're on the eve of the first presidential debate. both president obama and governor romney will spend the day preparing. what message do they need to send to undecided voters tuning in tomorrow night. bill o'reilly is here to talk about his new bookoming up. >> we'll look forward to that a. question, what caused this nasty gash on a killer whale in san diego. was it an accident or was it an attack by other whales? a live report on that. >> and post seth mcfarland? his friends and al roker praise the pick. some wonder why they selected the guy from family guy. we'll talk about it with today's professionals. >> do we sense what you feel? >> i'm still absorbing it. i'll let you know. >> not prepared to talk about it. before we get to that we want to check with the top stories from natalie morales. good morning. >> good morning everyone. we begin with that story about trouble in the skies for american airlines. as at least two separate 757 jets had to be diverted after several rows of seats came loose mid flight and six more planes are b
we're on the eve of the first presidential debate. both president obama and governor romney will spend the day preparing. what message do they need to send to undecided voters tuning in tomorrow night. bill o'reilly is here to talk about his new bookoming up. >> we'll look forward to that a. question, what caused this nasty gash on a killer whale in san diego. was it an accident or was it an attack by other whales? a live report on that. >> and post seth mcfarland? his friends and...
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. >> president obama and mitt romney prepare for the first presidential debate. >> it is being called the most critical moment in the 2012 campaign. >> arguably the most important night of romney's political career. >> my husband is completely confident, completely balanced, completely capable of doing this. >> there are seats loose in the back. >>> american airlines seats coming loosed my flight. >> a flight from miami returned to jfk. >> we don't want that thing flying around. >> the third flight in less than a week. >> "the new york post" reports that a flight had a problem with loose seats. >> that's when you know we're getting too fat in this country. >> at least 30 people are injured when an amtrak train collides with a big rig in california. >> check out this wild ride. a stolen van crashes into several parked cars. >> behind the wheel, a 10-year-old. >>> disturbing video of a police officer punching a woman in the face prompting an internal investigation. >>> a career night for tony romo. five interceptions. >>> let me talk -- >> would you answer my question? >> i'm not a stud
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this a news conference underway concerning breaking news in the presidential race. a pennsylvania judge decide tog puing to put a voter i.d. law on hold. this is a ruling that has upset conservatives already. some are calling it a victory for voter shaun. eric shawn is live with here. >> reporter: they are calling this decision a big win, the aclu. at pennsylvania when you show up at the polls in november you will be asked, or you could be asked to show your voter i.d., but understand this new ruling you don't have to show it. both sides indeed calling this a victory. it comes from commonwealth judge robert simpson. he backed the law originally and let voter i.d. stay but it's not enforced in order to vote. he blocked part of the law that requires people without an i.d. to vote by provisional ballot if they provide documentation within six days. he feared that could diseven franchise voters if people couldn't come up with the proof. he's also concerned about the distribution of id's for voters. he says i question whether sufficient time remains. i expected more phot
this a news conference underway concerning breaking news in the presidential race. a pennsylvania judge decide tog puing to put a voter i.d. law on hold. this is a ruling that has upset conservatives already. some are calling it a victory for voter shaun. eric shawn is live with here. >> reporter: they are calling this decision a big win, the aclu. at pennsylvania when you show up at the polls in november you will be asked, or you could be asked to show your voter i.d., but understand...
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. >> president obama and mitt romney prepare for the first presidential debate. >> it is being called the most critical moment in the 2012 campaign. >> starting with the most important night of romney's political career. >> my husband is completely confident, completely balanced, completely capable of doing this. >> the airplane is flying fine. seats have loosened in the back and we need to return. >> flight from new york to miami was forced to return to jfk. on saturday a flight had to make an emergency landing. >> the seat is loose. we don't want that thing flying around. >> and word of a third flight in less than a week. >> new york post reports that a flight last wednesday down to dallas had a problem with loose seat. >> that's when you know we're getting too fat in this country, okay? >> at least 30 people were injured as an amtrak train derails. >>> crashing into several park car. >> behind the wheel, a 10-year-old. >> disturbing videos of a police officer punching a woman in the face prompted an internal investigation. >> all that -- >>> career low for tony romo, five intercept
. >> president obama and mitt romney prepare for the first presidential debate. >> it is being called the most critical moment in the 2012 campaign. >> starting with the most important night of romney's political career. >> my husband is completely confident, completely balanced, completely capable of doing this. >> the airplane is flying fine. seats have loosened in the back and we need to return. >> flight from new york to miami was forced to return to jfk....
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presidential poll. president obama, 50%. mitt romney, 47%. how influential is it in the media chamber? guest: the campaigns are obsessing on the polls. the import numbers of the numbers in eight or nine key states. here's my beef about the coverage. we want to know who will win. it seeps into all the coverage when one candidate is down. everything he says is seen as a semi desperate attempt to close the gap. i think the coverage has become so poll-driven. it would be different if brought barack obama were down by five points. guest: i did not think we do a good job of getting into the middle of the country and talking to those folks. .ou're sitting in a studio a poll comes across and now you have something that's right in front of you that you can talk about. because of budget cuts, you are not seeing the expense -- people are not spending the money to get people talking to people. guest: there are a relative handful of people that still go knocking on doors. you always learn something when you talk to voters. i think there should be more of
presidential poll. president obama, 50%. mitt romney, 47%. how influential is it in the media chamber? guest: the campaigns are obsessing on the polls. the import numbers of the numbers in eight or nine key states. here's my beef about the coverage. we want to know who will win. it seeps into all the coverage when one candidate is down. everything he says is seen as a semi desperate attempt to close the gap. i think the coverage has become so poll-driven. it would be different if brought barack...
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. >>> lots of politics to talk about it on the eve of the first presidential debate. president obama and governor romney will spend the day preparing for the showdown what. message do they need to send to the undecided voters? none other than bill o'reilly is here to join us and to talk about his new book. >> looking forward to that. >>> what caused a nasty gharib on this killer whale at seaworld san diego? was it an accident or attack by other whales? a live report on that. >>> and your next oscar host, seth macfarlane. >> yes. >> his fans, and al roker are praising the pick, but some are wondering why the academy selected the creator of "family guy" who has been in only one film. we'll get into that debate. >>> and later we'll talk about it with today's professionals. >> do we sense what you feel about that pick? >> i'm still absorbing it. going to sit with it for a while. >> not emotionally prepared to talk about it. >> not yet. >> before we get to that lets check in with the day's top stories with natalie morales over at the news desk. >> good morning, everyone. w
. >>> lots of politics to talk about it on the eve of the first presidential debate. president obama and governor romney will spend the day preparing for the showdown what. message do they need to send to the undecided voters? none other than bill o'reilly is here to join us and to talk about his new book. >> looking forward to that. >>> what caused a nasty gharib on this killer whale at seaworld san diego? was it an accident or attack by other whales? a live report on...
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and then on thursday, right after, just hours after the presidential debate, president obama will be campaigning in denver once again. so again, guys, colorado, about one of eight crucial states to this year's election is going to be interesting to see what happens. going to be interesting to see the presidential debate go down here in the city of denver. back to you. >> steve: all right. thank you very much. the whole country and the world will be watching tomorrow night. >> gretchen: with just three words, arnold schwarzenegger became a household name. >> i'll be back. >> gretchen: of course, the terminator helped arnold top the list as one of hollywood's highest paid actors. then came his successful bid to become the governor of california. his journey hasn't been without its share of scandal and heart break. now he's telling all in a new book called "total recall, my unbelievably true life story." he's our guest on the curvy couch for the first time, i believe. isn't it? at least if recent years. >> brian: it is. >> i think each one of us has done interviews. i know with you i've
and then on thursday, right after, just hours after the presidential debate, president obama will be campaigning in denver once again. so again, guys, colorado, about one of eight crucial states to this year's election is going to be interesting to see what happens. going to be interesting to see the presidential debate go down here in the city of denver. back to you. >> steve: all right. thank you very much. the whole country and the world will be watching tomorrow night. >>...
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. >>> coming up next, talking to first woman ever to moderate a presidential debate. her thoughts on president obama and mitt romney's big showdown tomorrow night, denver, colorado, carole simpson, such a pleasure, such an honor. she'll join me live next. >>> well, we went deep into the vault for this one here at cnn. the date was october 15th, 1992, presidential debate nearly 20 years ago, to the day. remember this? >> the candidates are the republican nominee president george bush, the independent russ perot, and governor bill clinton, the democratic nominee. my name is carole simpson. and i will be the moderator for tonight's 90-minutedebate. >> 90-minute debate, she says. that is carole simpson then. and here is carole simpson today. once again, the lady in red. carole simpson, amazing seeing you here, 20 years later, welcome. you know, all kinds of history made that night. you and i were talking on the commercial break, people recognizing you all around the world in the 20 years since. and it was unique about that night, the three debaters, not the usual two, you
. >>> coming up next, talking to first woman ever to moderate a presidential debate. her thoughts on president obama and mitt romney's big showdown tomorrow night, denver, colorado, carole simpson, such a pleasure, such an honor. she'll join me live next. >>> well, we went deep into the vault for this one here at cnn. the date was october 15th, 1992, presidential debate nearly 20 years ago, to the day. remember this? >> the candidates are the republican nominee president...
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we've been watching a presidential election where neither candidate wants to talk about the specifics, get even close to talking about the specifics. you even have a case where the congress and the obama administration slowed the growth of medicare spending by $700 billion, and they're being attacked by republicans for having done that. so, in an environment where you can't talk about medicare, in an environment where no one will talk about base broadeners, everyone talks about loophole closers, how do you, how do you get from here to there? and let me ask doug, first, you said that the environment will be different in 2013. other than this pressure you talked about pro the rating agencies what will get these guys singing kumbayah with each other? >> they're not going to sing kumbayah. i don't want to pretend that they will. this environment is the worst but this would be the right time to fix the fiscal cliff so we don't have to worry about the economics. not happening. lame duck would be the second worst. and for all the reasons i outlined i think it is very unlikely we'll do anythi
we've been watching a presidential election where neither candidate wants to talk about the specifics, get even close to talking about the specifics. you even have a case where the congress and the obama administration slowed the growth of medicare spending by $700 billion, and they're being attacked by republicans for having done that. so, in an environment where you can't talk about medicare, in an environment where no one will talk about base broadeners, everyone talks about loophole...